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Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious"
to make the case for gun regulations
December 12, 2011
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(GunReports.com) -- Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.
ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.
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This is anything but news to us, but I'm happy to see it's making the mainstream media organizations. Not everyone who cares is constantly watching gun news as are we. Yeah, all of us are well abreast of this fiasco, but it is refreshing to see that a news organization other than Fox News is reporting on this travesty. It just boggles the mind, and defies all logic that law enforcement is actually breaking the same laws that are supposed to be enforced by them.....all in the interest of drumming up a reason to inflict more onerous restrictions on the firearms community. OK guys. I am trying something new here. I have my account so screwed up. Anyway, hopefully, they will string up Holder. But did you see the paper this morning. They even screwed up giving the CMH to Dakota Myers. What a damn disgrace. By the way, Colonel. I asked in another msg about your research into the Kevlar helmet. Why did we go to Kevlar over the steel pot and is it really that much better? Cecil, in that discussion thread, I provided a fairly lengthy explanation of my test & evaluation project on the Kevlar helmet as part of the Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops (PASGT). If you will return to that discussion thread, you will see the rationale for DoD adoption of the helmet. And.....Yes; it is considerably better than the M1 steel helmet. I don't mean to be impatient, but I wrote a lengthy explanation, that you can read, on the other thread. I think the thread was about Christmas something..... Thanks Colonel. I will track it down. Here's a little help, Cecil..... In your Internet browser search bar, enter www.gunreports.com. When you get to the home page, in the advanced search bar, enter "Christmas" or "Gun Club Offers Photos With Santa, Weapons". That should put that discussion thread on your screen, and you can scroll down to my explanation. I found it Colonel and I thank you. I have been trying to buy a steel pot on E Bay but keep getting outbid. Just to have for Zombie Day but I think I will try to find Kevlar instead. I did get my Israeli Gas Mask last week, just in case. I am just getting too, too paranoid. Hope you are well and getting some of this rain. Respectfully, Cecil I think that BATFE is absolutely correct that we in this country need new rules about gun sales. The first law that I propose is eliminating BATFE. Breaking F&F news Thursday evening: http://us.mg4.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand=2h2dqq1aoj6of Brian A. Terry Memorial Act Passes House - unanimously. Is this a shot across the bow for the administration? I wonder if BO will sign it after it passes the Senate too? Wouldn't that be... um... curious. Can Ya say Cover up big time? The only reason the LSM is starting to pick it up six monthes latter is to make it as transparent as a mud fence, while they figure out a way to make it look like Obummer and Holding himself look good and heros and then pass some more Gun laws. God Bless America and Our Troops Past Present and future. Keeping to My Oath Locked Loaded and Keeping My Powder Dry. Get the US Out of the UN and the UN Out of the US You may be onto something there bear1. This story has been ignored by the media for so long that it almost seems they were told by the White House to let it die. Now, all of a sudden, we're starting to see it. Is that because it just won't go away and they are finally getting a whiff of something rotten? Or is it because the administration has finally decided the only way to make it lose traction and go away it to tell the media to paint it like a rainbow and call it a unicorn? What ever color you want to paint it, and what ever you want to call it, we will always know that this is a classic example of government gone awry. When government agencies violate the very laws that they are charged to enforce, the arrogance of putting themselves above the law paints a sinister picture of the officials who lead those agencies. As I was clearing out my email inbox this morning, I ran across an article entitled "Obama's Watergate?". Now, it seems the news media may be smelling some blood in the water. We can hope that they will soon descend into a feeding frenzy. Cecil, I don't know about the plenitude of surplus stores in SA, but hereabouts, we have plenty of them, and Kevlar helmets are pretty commonly found in them. One thing to watch out for is the size. Remember, in my discourse about the adoption of the Kevlar helmet, I commented about size tariffs. I don't know about the current issue of helmets, but the system that I tested, evaluated, and recommended for adoption allowed for sizes of helmets in small, medium, and large. While the suspension system in the helmet can be adjusted for minor variations in fit and comfort, if the current issue of helmets still comes in those three sizes, you will want to get one according to your head size. Now, as for rain.....we have been getting more than we'd like now. As a result, all of the patches of dead grass in my back yard are now mud wallows. Thankfully, my trees have dropped sufficient leaves to cover them up until things dry out. You know how it is in Texas.....feast or famine! Thanks for that info Colonel. I sort of figured that out when looking at the helmets that are on e bay. I am thinking that instesead of a helmet, I should invest in some body armor. Hell, the spec ops guys go into battle with boonie hats or berets. Once the SHTF day arrives, I figure it will be at least a month before the government or the Zombies start hurling grenades at us. I am waiting for the rain to subside so I can mulch my leaves, the only thing that keeps the dogs from tracking in the mud. But, never complain about the rain in Texas. Respectfully, Cecil Yeah, in order to keep my dog from tracking in the mud and mess, I carry her out to where I want her to do her business. When she is finished, she waits for me to pick her up, and I carry her back into the garage where we can clean up any problems that may have gone unnoticed. And people say dogs are not smart. LOL I can tell You one thing if my dog don't like ya at all then I am going to keep my eye on ya because most of the dogs I have known a smarter than we are, when it comes to trusting some one. And my dogs sure don't like most cops around here, because of thier adatudes, my dogs don't like agresive people. Fast to wards me or the wife can will get ya hurt, cause they will bite and mean real harm. God Bless America and Our Troops Past Present and Future. Keeping to My Oath Locked Loaded and Keeping My Powder Dry. Get the US Out of the UN and the UN Out of the US Yeah bear. My dogs do not like bad people either. Funny how they pick up on that right away. I never trust anyone if my dogs don't like them. Dogs are just SO much better at that than humans. And one has to respect the way they will go into a fight instantly with no thought for their own safety if 'family' is threatened too. My two kids were 'raised' by a German Shepard bitch (not meaning their mom, though she was European also). That dog would follow them everywhere, and if any adult came around she would simply walk over and stand between the kids and the human, facing the human of course. There was never any problem, ever. The neighbors would even let the dog go into their homes if the children did. Shepards are GREAT dogs. Always wanted to have one but mutts keep showing up at my house. But I love them too. Back in the 60s and 70s I had some really great German Shepherds. I even successfully bred them. They were great when the kids were young, and they took good care of all of us. This was especially true while I was stationed in Panama. While many folks around us were burglarized, we never had any difficulty with that. The Panamenos were deathly afraid of my shepherds. I could walk through some pretty seedy parts of the old Ciudad de Panama, and even though I was packing my 1911, everybody gave me a wide berth when my shepherd, "la Pastor Aleman" was with me. The Shepherd that raised my kids was actually a freebie. Some German friends of my wife's family were giving her away because she wasn't aggressive enough for the husband's idea of a watch dog. He used to go out and thrash her sometimes just to try to make her mean. We all went over to see the dog, and after a slow approach she sidled up to me. On the way home I sat in back with her (just in case, which proved totally unnecessary), my wife drove and both kids were up front with their mom. All we did was treat the dog nice, and by that evening she was guarding my kids. We took her in the house (she had never been in a house), gave her her own bowl and some water (she actually let me take her food away a few times), I told her that her only job was to guard the girls, and that was that. My in-laws came over a few hours later and grandpa challenged her gently - having heard she was a scared dog. She went ballistic and nearly broke off the gate to get at him. As soon as I told her to stop, she did, but all that evening she sat watching him with her butt barely touching the floor. Best watchdog I ever had! Years later I had a Rottie that was nearly as good, but not quite. He was being given away because he was 'too' aggressive - but all the way home all he did was lick everybody! I guess he was thanking us for getting him out of a crappy home. Dogs really do pick their master. I heard that the Chicago police department was getting rid of their German Shepherds and replacing them with Coon dogs because they are not having any trouble with Germans. 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