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Files: ATF knew gun sales were a problem

(GunReports.com) -- Tucson ATF agents knew their informant was selling guns intended for criminals in Mexico, and they realized it was problematic, yet they pushed him to make the guns move south.

Those details emerge from a 594-page journal kept by the paid informant, Tucson firearms dealer Mike Detty, and emails between Detty, Justice Department lawyers and ATF agents. The Star reviewed the documents relating to Operation Wide Receiver last week, but about half the journal's pages were blacked out by officials.

A comment made by an ATF agent April 3, 2007 - and written down by Detty in his journal - made clear the fix the agents were in. As Detty discussed a future gun purchase by a man buying weapons for mafias in Mexico, one agent said:

"We're getting a lot of heat so this will probably be his last purchase. We just can't keep letting these guns go to Mexico with impunity," Detty quoted the agent as saying.

Read more and come back to GunReports.com to comment: www.AZStarNet.com.

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"The Star reviewed the documents relating to Operation Wide Receiver last week, but about half the journal's pages were blacked out by officials."

Interesting, no? Supposedly, Wide Receiver was not quite the same kind of program, but the 'officials' saw fit to redact HALF of the material??!! THAT makes me pretty darned suspicious just on the a priori fact of it being done to that degree. Presumably there was not that much content that was names, home address and pictures of agents' families.

If any of you guys can find the entire Detty document posted somewhere (redacted or not), please put the URL on this page. I'd love to read that thing. You can often tell from nearby context what KIND of information is redacted.

Comment by: david b | October 13, 2011

Everyone with common sense knows that this was a stupid program from the get go.Remember John Dean, Nixon's legal adviser? Nixon did not know about the Watergate burglary ahead of time, but he got caught in the coverup and it cost him the Presidency. John Dean got a subpoena and said that Nixon was part of the cover up. What will Eric Holder say? Is he protecting the President?

Comment by: DEAN O | October 13, 2011

It is beyond my understanding how any government entity.....or, for that matter, any entity at all.....can believe that providing documents with redacted passages provides for anything but heightened suspicion on the part of the receivers/investigators of those redacted documents. I mean, c'mon guys who do the redacting, you are essentially claiming Fifth Amendment rights when you cross out written phrases. Do you not think that causes a lot of suspicion? This is on about the same level of sophistication that teachers see when they pick up student written notes in class that have words scratched out.

Comment by: canovack | October 13, 2011

I once worked for a company that handled 'litigation support' as it's called, and they did that kind of a thing as a paid service - scanning docs, redacting, recording keywords for searching, and even web hosting for the attorneys on both sides. Usually there was a contractual agreement about what could be redacted, so you would see most of what was in the docs, but not usually see things like names. IF a document looked 'interesting' the original had to be specifically requested (as opposed to "FOIA-ed") to get the name.

However, when documents are turned over by an agency (or corporation) themselves and are already redacted, then EVERY redaction should be suspected of hiding something. As I said, you can usually guess what kind of thing has been blackened - "...then (blackened) said..." will usually be a name, right? But three paragraphs redacted from a description of operational details or processes is basically just covering somebody's hiney because there's dirt there.

I want to see Detty's notebook, even if it is redacted! And I think Issa and Grassley and Labrador should get copies as well. Any readers who can get that and 'leak' it to them?

Comment by: david b | October 13, 2011

Detty says once the guns didn't get to Mexico because customs confiscated them. All those guns walk, and customs gets them once? Makes you feel real good about customs, huh?

David - I didn't see the Detty journal, but a week or two ago I saw an article on this that had a lot of links. After a while, they led me to some redacted documents. While the extent of redaction was a bit unnerving at first, it is quite believable the redacted portions had nothing to do with the topic and could jeopardize other investigations or human sources. That doesn't mean I think our government isn't trying to hide something...

Comment by: PVB | October 14, 2011

P V B - thanks for that information, and I'll trust you on it. As I wrote earlier, context can tell a guy a lot about WHAT was redacted.

Comment by: david b | October 14, 2011