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NYT: Tea Party Puts Constitution into Political Play
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(GunReports.com)--A New York Times story entitled "Tea-ing Up the Constitution" talks about the Tea Party movement's efforts to make the Constitution central to the national political conversation.
The Times said, "The content of the movement’s understanding of the Constitution is not always easy to nail down, and it is almost always arguable. But it certainly includes particular attention to the Constitution’s constraints on federal power (as reflected in the limited list of powers granted to Congress in Article I and reserved to the states and the people the 10th Amendment) and on government power generally (the Second Amendment’s protection of gun rights, the Fifth Amendment’s limits on the government’s taking of private property).
"Not a few constitutional scholars say that it is possible to quarrel with the particulars while welcoming the discussion. And not just because it is nice to know that people read and care about the nation’s sacred text. The larger point, these scholars say, is that the Supreme Court should have no more monopoly on the meaning of the Constitution than the pope has on the meaning of the Bible."
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Oh, Judas H. Tapdancing Priest. Where to begin...
Fisk ON:
NYT: "The content of the movement’s understanding of the Constitution is not always easy to nail down, and it is almost always arguable."
TEA Party's translation: "The Tea Party movement is a bunch of ignorant-ass tea-bagging, racist, homophobic, bigoted rednecks who sleep with their sisters." The "progressive movement," on the other hand, is filled with snotty, effete elitists who believe that scurrilous sexual slurs hurled at ladies and gentlemen who hold opposing viewpoints is a valid form of open political discourse, because "those people" need to be repressed. Hard.
NYT: "...according to scholars who endorse what they call 'popular constitutionalism.' “Basically, it’s the idea that final authority to control the interpretation and implementation of constitutional law resides at all times in the community in an active sense,”
TEA's translation: "The Constitution is fungible, and we can alter it anytime we want by simply changing the meaning of a few key words, because we have no principles, standards, values or interests other than our own power and self-aggrandizment." The Tea-Party Movement believes in rule of law, Constitutional principle, self-restraint, and decent behavior, which are all moral limits that the Left cannot abide.
Gaviota
NYT: "The Supreme Court’s 2008 ruling that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to own guns, as opposed to one tied to militias, is another example of a transformation of a conventional understanding, Professor Levinson said, this one based on a view of the Constitution pressed by the National Rifle Association and its politically engaged supporters."
TEA's translation: "We can re-write 230 years of history at the stroke of a key because we're fairly sure that our target demographic is too busy with their stock portfolios and currency manipulation to pay attention to the fact that we're lying." The Second Amendment "militia" argument is strictly a 20th century artifact, and now, at long last, is increasingly being seen by the American citizenry as the false-front for fascism that it's always been.
NYT: "But if there is a central theme to its (the Tea Party's) understanding of the Constitution, it is that the nation’s founders knew what they were doing and that their work must be protected. “I think it’s some loose, ill-informed version of originalism, but it’s plausible,” said Professor Kramer..."
TEA's translation: "Anyone who reads the Constitution, Federalist Papers, DeToqueville, Franklin, Paine, and the letters and debates of Jefferson, Madison, Adams, and the other Founders is hopelessly ill-informed, because I say so." And the TEA Party says that liberals who think they know everything can really irritate those of us who do.
Gaviota
WOW! Gaviota, I think your talents are being wasted here.
Gaviota, I am trying to understand your post. What is "Fisk ON and OFF"?
From wikipedia:
The term fisking, or to fisk, is blogosphere slang describing a point-by-point criticism that highlights perceived errors, or disputes the analysis in a statement, article, or essay.
Eric S. Raymond, in the Jargon File, defined the term as: A point-by-point refutation of a blog entry or (especially) news story. A really stylish fisking is witty, logical, sarcastic and ruthlessly factual.
Fisking is similar to the line-by-line method in policy debate, where one debater addresses each point of an argument in turn, as opposed to addressing the entire thesis of his or her opponent, the purpose being to demonstrate that the underlying foundation is poorly constructed, so the resulting edifice of reasoning cannot be trusted.
Gaviota
Gotcha. Thanks
The tea-baggers were started by the neo-cons to distract from and co-opt the protest energies of the anti-fascists in the nation. I'm not even sure the folks in the movement all recognize this.
To them the Constitution is "nothing but a God-damned piece of paper" (to quote Bush). So of course they want to focus on changing the Constitution. Why limit government? They love monolithic government - spying, world-wide eternal wars, corporate control of Congress. And they are using commie agit-prop techniques of lies and division to get us there by wrecking the nation and government so that there will be an opportunity for a totalitarian take-over.
Well Gav - it looks like you're feeling better!
Yup - our founders knew exactly what they were doing, and were geniuses. "Scholars" who say otherwise make me sick.
QUOTE: "David B" "The tea-baggers were started by the neo-cons to distract from and co-opt the protest energies of the anti-fascists in the nation. I'm not even sure the folks in the movement all recognize this.">/i>
Is THAT what you Obama-tard, Neo-Marxists are calling yourself these days... "anti-fascists?"
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Personally, I think that the true genius of the founders was that they realized that no one person or group should be able to impose an "I know better than you" standard about how we should live--at least not on a permanent basis.
Vis - Does that mean the Constitution is simple? ;)
It should be very easy for all to see it is impossible to have a battle of wits with an unarmed individual.
R. Blackwood
R Blackwood, normally I would not say anything but I have to. That is so cliché and predicable I have to say don’t do that again!!! You were trying to make David B look dumb but you did the opposite.
I thought RB was talking about the NYT.
Sorry, PVB. I still don't think the Constitution is simple. But, I am open to other opinions.
It is one thing for someone to think you are DUMB, but quite another to open your mouth and prove it.
R. Blackwood
Vis - I know, and actually understand. I'll admit my view is a tad idealistic, though I think our forefathers were as well. I appreciate your time on earlier posts explaining the realities of system.
I agree 100% with your sentiments about their genius and "I know better than you."
Back to topic - it seems this Tea Party movement is taking on a life of its own?
Thanks!
Mein Herr david b:
The tea-baggers were started by the neo-cons to distract from and co-opt the protest energies of the anti-fascists in the nation.
You're saying that Tea Party is destroying the nation. Can you cite proof?
I didn't think so.
Your post would have sounded a lot more authentic in the original German, with "Jews" substituted for "tea-baggers." Nazi.
Gaviota
PVB - Yup. Back to my old cantankerous self. Lost some weight, but I don't recommend weight-loss by that route.
It appears that one-third of my original post was deleted, probably because of intemperate language.
Here it is, suitable modified:
NYT: "Such people 'appear more likely than non-originalists to be white, male, older, less educated, Southern and religious,' the study found. 'They are less likely to favor abortion rights, affirmative action and marriage rights for same-sex couples, and more likely to favor torture and military detention of terrorism suspects and the death penalty. They are more likely to express morally traditionalist, hierarchical and libertarian cultural values.'"
TEA's translation: "We don't believe in morality or any of that old-fashioned crap. Those ignorant-ass tea-bagging, racist, homophobic, bigoted rednecks don't have any right to tell us what we can and can't do. You're not the boss of me." Yeah, we're more likely to express moral values. If you don't want civil disturbance, then don't disturb us! Trample on our rights and you'll be opening a can of worms your featherweight keister is not equipped to handle. Okay? Okay.
Fisk OFF.
Gaviota
Gav - I had c. diff once for about 3 weeks. When you get better, everybody says - "you look great! Did you lose weight?" Totally agree on the weight loss plan - no late night infomercials in my future...
Ah, yes. My old friend Clostridium difficile. Feels bad, smells worse, harder to kill than a vampire. I'm glad you escaped those clutches, my friend. The only person on this planet I'd ever wish that on is my ex-wicked-witch-of-the-south.
Gaviota
Sometimes, life experiences help put some real meaning behind old sayings. I once knew a 1st Sgt that used to say "Now that really chaps my ass."
And I thought Desitin was for babies....
Good to hear your feeling better Gaviota, we need you here!
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