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Utah Gov Worried About State's Nonresident CCL Totals

SALT LAKE CITY — Gov. Gary Herbert is concerned that Utah's high counts of out-of-state concealed weapons permits -- more than 50 percent of all the state's concealed weapons applicants were from outside Utah.

Reason: Utah's permit and reciprocity agreements allows the holder to carry in nearly three dozen states.

During a taping of his monthly news conference for public television station KUED, Herbert, a Republican, said, "I think we need to protect the Second Amendment, that's for sure, and Utah ought to stand tall in that regard. That being said, I don't want to be a wholesale clearinghouse for anybody who comes to Utah that we don't have the ability to kind of track ... that they then go some place else outside of our borders and conduct theirselves inappropriately."

Up-to-date state concealed carry records show that about 196,000 people have Utah permits, but only about 116,000 of those were Utahns.

"I'm not much into reciprocity, whether it's real estate licenses or gun licenses. I think Utah needs to find out what we think is important for Second Amendment issues and do what we think is right as a state right here in Utah. Let others do the same," he said.

Reader Comments

This information indicates Utah doesn't have jobs to influence legally armed citizens to become residents or there's some other unattractiveness that people choose to remain non-residents. I spent some time in Moab and Montezuma Canyon but couldn't see anything encouraging me to become a year round resident.

Comment by: Jeff W | September 28, 2009

I wonder what prompted the Gov to make such a statement. What exactly were the questions to which he responded with those comments?

I don't have experience even approaching the Governor's in talking to the press, but with just my limited knowlege I am aware that one needs to be VERY careful when talking to reporters. I've seen articles appear in the paper that had only a tenuous connection with what the subject of the story actually said. So before I go bashing the Gov for going wobbly on civil rights, I'd like to actually hear the recording of the interview and compare it with the reporter's notes and the final article. That might be really interesting.

Gaviota

Comment by: Lee W | September 29, 2009

Utah is one of the last freedom fighting frontiers for citizen rights. Right up until the last decade Utah was conservative and family oriented and worked to preserve ALL our rights and freedoms. The groundwork for Utah's main Church (LDS) was founded by freedom fighters kicked out of Illinois. I grew up in the State of Utah and can tell you all it's a hunters paradise and the citizens of the state fully endorse YOUR right to carry and own firearms for LEGAL use. The Church takes care of it's own and their government takes care of all others. Their Governor is a champion of civil rights so there is more to this story than meets the eye. Good call Lee W.

Comment by: Sharps | September 30, 2009

As I live in Utah, I will agree that the state can be discouraging to live in. There are many reasons to live somewhere else. Gun rights is not one of them. The situation is improving as more outsiders move in, But I worry that outsiders will eventually turn Utah into another California. If you hunt un Utah, however, a Utah CCL is worth having. For example, with a CCl, you can take a handgun along while hunting. You can't without. Maybe thats why there are so many out of state CCLs.

Comment by: Mister E | October 1, 2009

The article alludes to the relatively large number of states in which Utah's CCL is recognized (via reciprocity). That is the reason that I (and most non-residents of Utah, I suspect) carry a Utah CCL in addition to one from my state (NM). It makes me legal in a number of states that do not recognize a NM CCL.

In order to obtain my Utah CCl I had to do what most folks do to qualify for a home-state CCL - attend a class that covers Federal and Utah gun laws, common sense gun handling and safety, NRA personal protection in the home, etc., pass an exam on the classwork, and qualify with a pistol. I also had to submit all the paperwork, fingerprint cards, check, etc. to the Utah Bureau of Criminal Investigation. Presumably, I underwent some sort of background check.

The article is sketchy, even ambiguous, so I'm not sure what one can conclude from it. According to it "more than 50 percent of all the state's concealed weapons applicants were from outside Utah", but less that 50% of permits are held by non-Utah residents. That suggests that many non-resident applicants are rejected. Perhaps that is the cause of Governor Herbert's concern. Also, he states that "I'm not much into reciprocity ... ", but I wonder if he includes driver's licenses along with real-estate and gun licenses. If so, that can't be good for tourism. ;-)

Comment by: mookien | October 1, 2009

Thanks Mister E and Mookien for your posts. My take on it was that Governor Gary Herbert just feels like his State is being used by citizens of other States. With this in mind, I focused on my personal experience with what Utah has to offer anyone who may consider moving there and I came up with nothing that would encourage full time residency. I used to live in Durango, Colorado and would travel to Utah during the Winter Months for weekend getaways but I couldn't see myself doing any extended stays. My wife did inform me that Salt Lake City was beautiful but she couldn't convince me to drive that far North.

Comment by: Jeff W | October 1, 2009

I'll always have respect for the citizens of Utah. In the 1992 presidential elections with Bush Sr., Perot and Clinton, Utah voters voted for them in that order.

Comment by: RackEmPunk | October 2, 2009